Decisions, Decisions Continued
After reading some of your comments on the last blog, and appointing KeMari to be the boss of me and immediately being given homework, I realized it would be helpful if you guys had some more information… like why we want to move in the first place, what we’re looking for, and why we picked those cities.
So, basically, here’s a list of stuff you should know, and hopefully I cover all those things somewhere in the list. My writing skillz are minimal at best today.
1. Right now we live in a mid-size town in the Pacific Northwest. It’s not a bad place, by any means. We’ve been in agreement that moving away from here was a common goal since those “getting to know you” conversations we had when we first started dating. We both sort of ended up… stuck here. Jerrad due to coming here for college, snagging a job afterwards, then staying until he met the love of his life. (ahem, that’s me). I moved here because an ex wanted to and because I briefly toyed with the idea of applying to some master’s program. I like to briefly toy with ideas and then never follow through.
2. As far as family goes, my dad and step-mom, and my siblings and their families are in the Pittsburgh “area” where I’m from. I say “area” because I grew up in various parts of northern West Virginia and southwestern Pennsylvania. My mom lives here. I can’t be all telling her business on my blog, but the plan is for her to be in a position to move close to us within a year. Jerrad’s family lives in the closest major city.
3. Work. I describe my husband’s job as “something about computers” and he describes it as Database Development and Administration. I’m in social work, and past jobs have included case management, mental health, child protection, and working in group homes and psych hospitals. Right now I have a part-time job. I like everything about it, except the fact that it’s an on-call type of situation and my schedule (and subsequently my paycheck) is very irregular. We’re trying to get pregnant, but I don’t feel like talking about that right now.
4. Digging a little deeper, but too much ’cause it’s a post (or two or three) all it’s own, as far as I’m concerned I don’t have a “career” anymore. I’m just earning money to help the family, because our goal is for me to be a stay-at-home-mom. Once the kids come, I want to be home with them. Something else we quickly agreed on when we first started dating.
5. So right about now you might be asking why we aren’t just moving to where Jerrad’s family is. This is the part where we talk about *whispers* money. I’m whispering because some think it’s rude to talk about money, but it’s important to the conversation so I’m going to do it anyway. Basically, we can’t afford to live on the west coast. Despite the fact that my husband has a good job, I mean he’s not a doctor or engineer or anything, but I definitely did ok for myself in the sugar daddy department, and I seem to average two shifts a week at a pretty nice salary, we cannot afford to buy a house here. And then when you think about what it will be like when I don’t work, and you add children to the equation? Impossible.
6. I guess I should be more specific. For some reason that I have yet to fathom, real estate is ridiculously, insanely expensive on the west coast. It’s not that we can’t afford a house here, we can afford a tiny one. In the ghetto. Or, I can keep working so we can afford something decent, but like I said, we don’t want to be a working mom family. Again, that’s another blog, but to us that is the most important factor. A place that has a reasonable enough housing market and job market where a man with a good job can support his family and afford a decent house. I’ve heard tell of such places, so I know they exist.
7. So, how we narrowed it down to the three cities (Pittsburgh, PA; St. Louis, MO; and Minneapolis, MN) is kind of long and complicated, so I’ll give you the Cliff Notes version. We considered many, many factors in addition to the ones I’ve mentioned. Like climate, for example. We want four seasons, and we actually want weather, too. So that’s why we aren’t deterred by reports of how cold Minneapolis gets and how they get 1,000 feet of snow every year. And that’s also why we aren’t considering places that would otherwise meet our criteria, but are too effing hot, like Atlanta or Phoenix or anywhere in Texas.
8. OK, so in addition to climate, we talked about things like population, proximity to coasts/mountains/deserts and how important those things were to us, were we mostly homebodies or outdoorsy people, exactly how much house is enough for us (3 bedroom? 4 bedroom?), plus a bunch of other things I can’t remember. We read lots of articles about the Most Livable Cities, and the Best Cities to Find a Job in Technology, and Cities with Buyer’s Markets. Alright, I made most of those titles up, but you get the drift. We researched (I’m talking spreadsheets here people) things like the cost of living, salary comparisons, median housing price, property taxes, sales taxes, school systems, and so on.
9. As far as job search goes, we are both using indeed.com to look for openings in our fields in the three cities (and we were before, which was a factor in the initial narrowing down). At this point we are assuming that I will be working at least part time while we keep trying to knock me up. And if I happen to get offered a good full time job with benefits I’ll take it. Getting pregnant without health insurance would suck in ways I can’t even begin to imagine.
10. Taking into consideration the number of openings that are posted in our fields, whether it’s a job we’d be interested in, the salary offered, I seem to be having the most luck with St. Louis, Minneapolis, and Pittsburgh – in that order. Jerrad is having the most luck in Minneapolis, with St. Louis and Pittsburgh being tied.
11. Like I said in the last blog, Pittsburgh is on the list mainly because of the proximity to family. It meets other criteria like the standard of living stuff…but. I’m not sure how to say this, other than to come right out and say that I left Pittsburgh for a reason. Or reasons, rather, but they all were about how it just felt like a dying, depressed city completely devoid of opportunity. Granted, things have changed in the 12 years since I left. There’s been a lot of effort to move the city past its history as a smoky steel town and to bring in jobs, and it does have the nostalgia factor working for it. Pittsburgh has always felt like home.
Another issue is that there’s my husband to consider. He’s visited Pittsburgh with me and he didn’t hate it, but… he didn’t love it either. I don’t ever want my husband to feel like I “made” him move somewhere he wouldn’t be happy. On the other hand, that could happen (to either of us) no matter where we end up.
Well, despite my best efforts, that ended up being long and complicated… and I probably still forgot something. OK, so… what do you think?
PS. Timing. I would like to go rightnow, please. But in all seriousness, it would be way awesome to be in some sort of month to month rental by mid to late fall, find some jobs, and be looking at buying a house well before spring when everyone else is looking and prices go up again.

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I think you guys would love St. Louis. I am a little biased, but having visited a lot because Laef is from MO, the people are very nice in the Midwest and there are a lot of nice burbs surrounding the city.
That's my voge!
I'd 86 Pittsburgh, just based on how YOU'RE talking about it… While it seems like home, it does so b/c it's familiar…
I'm not a big fan of Minnesota for a lot of reasons, but you would have Stuart Smalley as a Senator if you moved there…
Have you gone to websites for these particular cities and looked at parks and recreational areas? The local neighbourhoods?
I had family that lived in Ozark, MO and they genuinely liked it and it was a pleasant climate… Pleasant place to visit… But that was a long time ago…
While anywhere in TX would be totally freaking awesome (ahem), you are right about the seasons thing. We don't really have those. Not like other places. Unless you were up in North TX somewhere and that job market is kind of blah, expect maybe in Dallas. But I digres (like usual). I think if y'all would be equally happy in any of the three places then he should really concentrate his job efforts on those and when he gets an acceptable offer then that is where you should move. Since is the breadwinner and will be the sole financial contributor, and since that is a major big deal, then that is how I would make my decision, but that is just me.
I have to say that I agree with the "tone" of the post about Pittsburg, I would nix that idea. I would stand by my post of St Louis. I know that my sister and her husband have been there many times and they both like it. I have a cousin that lives near Minneapolis and they are okay with it but they will not be there forever. St Louis definately get all the seasons too. But if you move there and hate, don't come after me!
I used to live about a half hour outside of St. Louis and I really loved the city ~ used to go there as often as possible. Beautiful architecture, nice people, beautiful parks, plenty to do. Just stay on the St. Louis side of the river!
I don't really know much about the other cities, but if I were to live in a city that is not within a reasonable driving distance of the ocean, St. Louis would definitely at the top of my list. Good luck ~ change is exciting!
So tough, its all so tough. I don’t know what to say, I don’t think I did last time either…But on either coast real estates pretty high although PA isn’t bad for the most part. But yeah, PA definitely isn’t like what you’re living in now. The east coast and west coast are just different… it might be difficult for him no matter where you end up if you switch coasts like that – it just is different.
Maybe if he found a job that really motivated him to go he would feel the benefit of the switch…it might be the only real reason that would be good enough.
I definitely think you’re right about the job thing. And like someone else pointed out, since he’s the breadwinner, it’s more important that he finds something that he will like and that we can live on first.
I mentioned in conversation with one of my friends too, that there’s something to be said for the two of us making a new start together as a family and moving somewhere “new”.